In my last post, I was discussing how I feel it is important to study material based upon its practicality and not on whether it’s the lastest trend in the community, whether you’re studing seduction / pick-up artist techniques / dating tips or anything else.

See, when some new method or school comes out, there’s always a section that discredits all of the other schools (their competition) that came before it. At the same time, a lot of those same authors acknowledge that the method they’re bashing did in fact work! “Now it worked, but…” and then they go into way that functional method is bad and needs to be abandoned.

I study this stuff for my own results, my own self-improvement. Frankly, I don’t care where I am getting the information or inspiration. If it works and helps me improve myself, then I am all for it – even if the method is “unpopular” or “outdated” by community standards.

Let’s look at some of the trends in this area of self-improvement, from the dawn of the “seduction community”:

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In Legend’s most recent post, he said, “The goal is to get into a conversation with a girl regardless of the latest trend in the community.”

I started to write a reply to his post, but after a while I realized that this response was long enough to be a post, so here it is:

I think the “seduction community” is kind of a funny concept. Really, the community started out as a collective of guys who wanted to improve their skills with women, but wanted to avoid the stigma society places on a guy asking for help with women. And although there were a few products out there, most of the help guys received was from each other.

These days, pick-up material is well developed. There are hundreds of products available on pick-up, dating, relationships, seduction, etc. And if anyone new wants to break into the market, they have to debunk all of the other excellent material that has come out before it and convince you that there’s is better.

The whole “natural” thing is just the new way to market a product.

There were some guys going around teaching Mystery Method verbatim, but then criticizing Mystery because his method isn’t natural and there’s is…

At the heart of the matter, I notice all that stuff, but I try to ignore it.

Frankly, I study this stuff for one reason and one reason only: for my own self-improvement. So that I can have better relationships with the type of women I truly want.

And for that reason, I think it is ludicrous to invest in any method that has no real discernible structure or way to measure back on what’s been accomplished. At the same time, I think it’s a ludicrous way to live if the method does not take into account your emotional state or hers and is simply a mechanical set of steps to perform.

I believe that ultimately a superior product will combine what is being taught in the “natural” schools as well as what made the original “routine-based” schools so great.

In my next post, I’m going to explore the trends of the “seduction community” and their pros and cons.

But for now, in the interest of learning, I shut my ears off as soon as I hear the instructor on one program bashing another method (whether it’s implicit or explicit). I believe it is best to experience the different paradigms presented by each instructor through taking action in the real world and then forming an opinion.

If you just follow the latest trend, you’re just following marketing instead of your own self-improvement…

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I love how everyone these days is all “natural.” This is very funny how a lot of new guys in the community preach natural without having anything to back it up.

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This is the question they always can’t answer. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t talked to everyone, but after talking to a senior instructor from a well-known pickup company the other week I came to the conclusion that he was absolutely full of shit. An American Werewolf in Paris movie buy Dirty Mary Crazy Larry

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According to the “seduction community”, natural game is all the rage now. I mean, just ask several of the pick-up gurus from years past that used to talk about how great routine-based game was. They’ll tell you that these days, they just act natural and it works way better.

So men around the world tune into what the gurus are saying and say, “Wow, these guys got stunning results before and now they say they discovered something even better? This is amazing!!! I’m going to buy all their natural-game products!”

Let me point something out. These guys can act natural because they studied routine-based pick-up for YEARS!!

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My point is that even though the community (or really, the marketing to the community) is geared towards natural game now, it is for two reasons:

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After my last post this brings me to a question of game mode. Is game something that you turn on and off?

Should it be?

I don’t think so, but the way many of us practice it and designate time for it, it becomes an on and off switch. I think this leads to a bad habit. Although a better habit than not approaching at all, I believe it can stunt your development in getting the girl of your dreams. Things in your mind may tell you, it’s not the right situation to approach girls or some other limiting belief.

I think this lies in the frame that your mind puts on interactions. If you frame it as going out to pick up girls or going out to seduce them or get their numbers, then society has put that into a negative context. Even if you don’t realize it, I think it’s important to think about now. This in itself induces a predatorial frame. An underlying frame of needing something and taking something.

I believe we should reframe Read the rest of this entry »